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amy_c	Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Aug 30 2010, 1:10 AM EDT Let's talk about the latest episode here! I thought this was the best episode of the season so far. I was cringing while watching Don at that Life meeting.... also, I was so relieved that he didn't have to give a speech. He might be going to AA meetings with Freddie before long. So, Don lied to get his foot into the door at Sterling Cooper? That's how I took that ending and it was hilarious. Oh, and what about that art director Peggy was stuck with? The guy was a sociopath. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: None
Greg1835	1. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Aug 30 2010, 1:18 AM EDT The Joan legshot. To me, I thought excellent use of sexuality to distract us to make us think it's rooted in male competition for a woman. But, I thought both of them taking her hand was more about the original line from Joan in the pilot, to Peggy, "most of these men want a mother and a waitress." They're both Alpha males, constantly in competition on more than one level. But in the face of hopefully the moment of triumph instead of high-fiving and chest thumping and male posturing etc....they each independently, unknowing, took the woman's hands instead, at the moment of climax. They could have shot it with both of them taking her hands above table in group joy. But 2 things: They both hid it from each other, so it was under the table to not let the other see. But second, they're both grown men reaching for her hands, the woman, in this moment which could mean a lot. It was way more personal, visually, seeing the two Alpha males both reach for the comfort of femininity; and her legs were the symbol of that femininity to us the viewer as both Don and Rger took her hands. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Greg1835	2. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Aug 30 2010, 1:21 AM EDT The spherical cigarette dispenser thing Allison threw at Don back on the coffee table? I think so. Peggy is wearing slingbacks. Interesting Don and Peggy dynamic. In the beginning, Don is actually chummy with her in turning down someone. But then challenging later on is their interaction. It's a hallmark of their relationship; both honey and vinegar. Yet in the end it works. Roger talking about comedy duo relationships. Then you have he and Don in apparently their first meeting ever, kinda both doing a comedy routine for us the viewer. The way they dialogue back and forth with the furs looked like an homage to old school comedy duos. And they do it immediatley after, when we get back to the present, in their drinking. The flashback with Roger and Joan, the next edit is Roger in present calling in Caroline to say he has, "another work story". At the ceremony after Duck being old-Duck, "Gentlemen let's pace ourselves" is the announcement, and Roger takes a long pull from his drink. The creepy guy to Peggy mentioned something about hunting, similar to the Pete dialogue she had back in the day... SO, we find out in the flashback Don did the whole gift idea in trying to get a job with Roger. Roger didn't like it. Remember when CocaCola did that regarding Betty, and Don didn't like it? At the end when Pete was talking to Cosgrove, taking charge, I was disappointed to not see Pete's rifle in the background, like we used to see whenever Pete had a changing moment. The random and accidental waitress after all that? Anyone who has ever lived will vote to submit this one for the Emmys, if not 2 episodes ago. Later, Don pulling the old and patented **** Block by stealing Dr. Faye from some guy. Classic. Barvo Mr. Draper. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
makeitadouble	3. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Aug 30 2010, 10:27 AM EDT Another great episode! This show offered what I thought was missing this season, the return of the flashback! And this was Roger's flashback, not Don's. I was hoping they would reveal just how Don got his foot into Roger's door. And was Don lying when he told Roger that he hired him? I took it to mean that Roger had a blackout and didn't remember hiring Don. PS-I hope Ms. Blankenship stays! She's a riot! Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
amy_c	4. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Aug 30 2010, 4:42 PM EDT "Another great episode! This show offered what I thought was missing this season, the return of the flashback! And this was Roger's flashback, not Don's. I was hoping they would reveal just how Don got his foot into Roger's door. And was Don lying when he told Roger that he hired him? I took it to mean that Roger had a blackout and didn't remember hiring Don. PS-I hope Ms. Blankenship stays! She's a riot!" I like to think he did lie about it! And now Don is the one who is making bad business decisions due to blackouts. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MaXimillian10	5. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Aug 30 2010, 8:19 PM EDT "I like to think he did lie about it! And now Don is the one who is making bad business decisions due to blackouts. " "was Don lying when he told Roger that he hired him?" Perhaps, but that would be taking a huge chance on Don's part, and risking any further chance, if it back fired. Until now, Don's had a gentlemanly ethic and loyalty in his bussiness dealings, never engaded in such underhandedness towards anyone he respects. The blackout issue is another issue, and is symptomatic of burgeoning alcoholisim, which if left unchecked will spiral/ Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MaXimillian10	6. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Aug 30 2010, 8:22 PM EDT PS-I hope Ms. Blankenship stays! She's a riot! Agreed, and just what the doctor ordered in terms of curbing Don's urges, and declineing judgement. It's a pretty darn clever peice of writing, and characterisation, and very well done. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MaXimillian10	7. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Aug 30 2010, 8:25 PM EDT I was hoping they would reveal just how Don got his foot into Roger's door. There must have been something in Don, that Roger really liked in a first impression. As a very experienced Ad man Roger probably gets approached for jobs, by would-be types, alomost everywhere he's introcduced, and hence the defensive mechcansism. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
superhero50	8. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Aug 31 2010, 8:42 PM EDT I was wondering if anybody noticed. The model wearing the fur coat in the "Why wait for a man to buy you a fur coat?" Hellers poster looks a lot like Betty. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MaXimillian10	9. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Sep 1 2010, 6:10 AM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 1 2010, 6:13 AM EDT Points for discussion; That was Betty, Don had devised and produced that poster. No dougbt about it. Now, was that really Mark Moses ? Or a lookalike, giving the druken diatribe at the begging of the awards cerimony ? Anyone able to confirm ? The new art director character is very weird, and Peggy has been sidetracked with these types of side stories, in a couple of episodes now. You noticed that the new Hire, Roger's nefew-in-law, when Don advised him to talk to his seceratary about the proximity of a lunch resteraunt, she told him "I don't work for you !" That among several lines made me luagh, throughout this excellent episode. They don't actually show Roger hiring Don in the flash back, but it's sorta, kinda, implied when they leave the resteraunt after their druken Brunch ? I assume that once they reached curbside, Roger said something further ? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
amy_c	10. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Sep 1 2010, 12:20 PM EDT "I was wondering if anybody noticed. The model wearing the fur coat in the "Why wait for a man to buy you a fur coat?" Hellers poster looks a lot like Betty." Yes, I forgot about that! It definitely looked like Betty, former model and current misanthrope. :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
amy_c	11. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Sep 1 2010, 12:23 PM EDT "Perhaps, but that would be taking a huge chance on Don's part, and risking any further chance, if it back fired. Until now, Don's had a gentlemanly ethic and loyalty in his bussiness dealings, never engaded in such underhandedness towards anyone he respects. " The man lives and works under an assumed identity, which he kept from his wife for more than a decade. I'd say a young and hungry Don would be more than capable of trying that to get his foot in the door. I thought his smirk in the elevator was very telling. We may never know the truth, though. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Greg1835	12. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Sep 1 2010, 3:20 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 1 2010, 3:20 PM EDT " The new art director character is very weird, and Peggy has been sidetracked with these types of side stories, in a couple of episodes now. " I think regarding Peggy, they're trying to show to us her separation from the old guard and the direction she seems to be going. Twice now we've seen her off on her own track, and she's been involved with something, for lack of a better word, alternative. With her new friends, they weren't just sitting around, she goes to an artsy type of party as opposed to a cocktail party like the SCDP gang would do. And here, she's not only not invited to come along to the ceremony, she ends up having that odd encounter/situation. They didn't have Peggy just home bored, or just annoyed with a co-worker, they purposely had her engage in something out of the ordinary. It seems like they're trying to make a statement about where Peggy is going in not only keeping her somewhat separated from the old guard, but also the kind of encounters she's ending up in. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MaXimillian10	13. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Sep 1 2010, 6:06 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 1 2010, 8:23 PM EDT "The man lives and works under an assumed identity, which he kept from his wife for more than a decade. " For clarification, agreed, his PERSONEL life is a shambles, and cloaked in deciet and lies. In his BUSINESS dealings, until most recently at least, he's been exactly as I described. "Until now, Don's had a gentlemanly ethic and loyalty in his bussiness dealings, never engaded in such underhandedness towards anyone he respects." Anyone HE respects, in his work, he dosn't lie to. Except, maybe himself. It's a BIG mistake to paint Don as a two dimentional, black and white, good guy/bad guy, he's both at the sametime, and niether, and that's among what we find so fascinating. As yourself, why is it that when Campbell dis-respects his wife, or acts like a jerk around the office, he's an adolecent weasle. Yet, when Don does similar, we tend to give him the benefit of the dougbt and still admire the guy ? Perhaps, even more ? M Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MaXimillian10	14. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Sep 1 2010, 6:18 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 1 2010, 7:25 PM EDT "I think regarding Peggy, they're trying to show to us her separation from the old guard and the direction she seems to be going" Good analysis Greg. It's in keeping with the generational, and inter-generational differences that emerged in that era. Pepole started really experimenting with new frontiers. Did anyone notice a character in the pre-Cleo awards, cocktail party, in the background sporting a beatles haircut ? So far, on one at the agency has show up with one. "Enjoy the rest of your life, cerial !"* *Don Draper While drunk out of his gourd. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MaXimillian10	15. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Sep 1 2010, 8:15 PM EDT \| Post edited: Sep 1 2010, 8:15 PM EDT Ted Shaw calls Roger and Don, Pebbles and Bam, Bam. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DickDon	16. RE: Episode 4.06 "Waldorf Stories" Discussion Mar 26 2012, 9:34 PM EDT Peggy is a ****. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?